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How about not using it
Published on July 4, 2007 By Wintermist In Beta Feedback
I've been thinking about this a while, as I noticed I very rarely build repair stations as the ship repairs well enough on their own.

Why not remove the automatic repairs and instead just use the shields. Once the shield has depleted the ship starts to take damage. The shield will constantly regenerate but damage will not, forcing you to use more repair docks as well as create forward operations outpost.

It would add more tactic and strategy to the game as well as adding a small degree of trustworthy realism into it.
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on Jul 05, 2007
And also, a new repair ship could also be added that you can use after each fight.
on Jul 05, 2007
The shield will constantly regenerate but damage will not


Hmm.. this wouldn't be realistic at all...

Repair stations are useful for front line planets that are constantly under attack and need rapid repairing
on Jul 05, 2007
I think repairing ships without the presence of a repairstation should drain antimatter.
on Jul 05, 2007
But there is something I noticed, the freighter and trader don't seem to repair themselves, is that intentional?
on Jul 05, 2007
The shield will constantly regenerate but damage will not


Hmm.. this wouldn't be realistic at all...

Repair stations are useful for front line planets that are constantly under attack and need rapid repairing


This is actually the only true reason to build Repair Station at the moment. They beef up the 'tanking' ability of defense structures and nearby ships so they can be quite difficult to take down. Considering the AI doesn't prioritize (I think) destroying repair stations, it makes it easy for us to have a powerful defensive line on frontier worlds.

As far as ship auto repair works at the moment, I suppose a reduction in auto-repair rates would make both Repair Stations as well as the Repair Drone Ship more important on the battlefield. It's not a big or time intensive change, but a very significant one that should solve the problems outlined here.

Not sure by how much as the percentages in the tech tree are ambiguous. Tone down auto-repair so our ships need to repair or slow down their offensive rampage.

Additional extension to repair functionality: Make ship hardpoints take damage OR randomly choose ship systems to lose effectiveness as the ship takes damage. This would also help the player decide to build repair facilities


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on Jul 05, 2007
Ships shouldnt have healing repair to their hulls until they have not been fired on for atleast a minute. Underfire their hulls should not be repaired.

on Jul 05, 2007
like star trek armada when systems go off line when the shields are down and it takes damage
on Jul 05, 2007
Ships shouldnt have healing repair to their hulls until they have not been fired on for atleast a minute. Underfire their hulls should not be repaired.



Well, IMO it's more realistic if you can repair your own ships anytime at all. Damage Control Teams get sent to the damaged sections of ships (modern or future ) in the midst of battle.

Perhaps if there was a severe reduction in repair speed during battle it would be better. But at the same time we can argue that the ships use automated repair drones.

But I just think that we need an overall reduction in auto-repair speeds because even if we have reduced repair during battles, it wont actually make repair facilities or ships any more useful because it's the downtime after battle that's important.

But I agree, I have no complaint about long battles, it's just annoying when we have to fight against the regeneration on ships rather than the ships themselves.
on Jul 05, 2007
Yes and vasari have nano bot so thier ships should repair super fast by them selves and i agree it should slow down in the middle of battle but i would dissagree with getting rid of auto repairs altogether cos you can patch up a ship on the fly and i still use repair stations alot cos its alot faster than normal repair rate
on Jul 05, 2007
Well yeah, I don't mean to say that they should remove it all together but I do feel that if we don't have some 'downtime' to our fleets, then it's really easy to go on a rampage to destroy a whole empire in one go. Sure we should be able to patch up our ships as we move around through auto-repair but if we give them too strong a regenerative ability then it just removes a danger and tension element that makes us go: "Oh shit not now!" when there's a quick counter attack.

Besides, it would give us extra reason to stop briefly after each battle and again give us more tactical choices on how to engage the enemy. Everyone has more time to think.

Yeah this would draw out the game a little but I think it's a good thing in this regard.
on Jul 05, 2007
There allready is a repair ship!

havn't you guys noticed that putting robot-carriers in your fleet helps repairing ships?

the robot-carrier has repair drones on board that wil automatically repair damaged ships...i allways have a couple of robot-carriers in my fleet.
on Jul 05, 2007
Hmm, I find the repair stations balance out the game more. In addition, they become very useful when you have a small defensive fleet and you are taking on a larger invasion fleet.

I've also noticed that some ships will take hull damage but not shield damage (dependant on the type of weaponary used upon it).
on Jul 05, 2007
There allready is a repair ship!

havn't you guys noticed that putting robot-carriers in your fleet helps repairing ships?

the robot-carrier has repair drones on board that wil automatically repair damaged ships...i allways have a couple of robot-carriers in my fleet.


That's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying that the auto-repair function is a too strong, which reduces the need for those repair ships.
on Jul 05, 2007
Well, consider how large a capital ship really is. Now also consider the amount of damage they take from incoming fire. Realise the huge amount of damaged metal, chunks of whatever material they're built from are blasted off. It would take a nano-bot years to repair that. It just doesn't make sense.

Repair crews inside the ships would be able to repair electronics and other damage, but I'd like to see them get in a space-suit and start to weld new armor onto the ship during combat.

Also, this would require an immense amount of spare armor in a cargo hold. Repair drones has some validity, they can work even in combat, but the limit would be, how much spare armor would the ship carry. Indefinate?
on Jul 05, 2007
Well, consider how large a capital ship really is. Now also consider the amount of damage they take from incoming fire. Realise the huge amount of damaged metal, chunks of whatever material they're built from are blasted off. It would take a nano-bot years to repair that. It just doesn't make sense.

Repair crews inside the ships would be able to repair electronics and other damage, but I'd like to see them get in a space-suit and start to weld new armor onto the ship during combat.

Also, this would require an immense amount of spare armor in a cargo hold. Repair drones has some validity, they can work even in combat, but the limit would be, how much spare armor would the ship carry. Indefinate?



Oh I agree with you, it's always a question of realism, it's the universal companion to games. Nevertheless, there's Auto-repair in the game, so we might as well work with it

Now, it would be nice to expand the auto-repair idea and make it more in-depth. Applying your arguments to counter the fact that auto-repair is feasable, I would suggest that auto-repair works in a very limited fashion during combat (slow regen of hull) while out of combat it would speed up a little bit (not as fast as it is now in Beta 2). For every second auto-repair is functioning out of combat, it takes up "Supply" which the ships take with them, once they are out of Supply, they are unable to repair themselves. The Supply idea can be enlarged to encompass weaponry and maybe even shield effectiveness. To reload Supply, ships simply need to be in orbit of a friendly or owned planet.
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